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The Cuse have decided to ban themselves.......

Exactly so stupid! Bet they get zero scholly reductions either.
 
certainly the NCAA will add to this. I love how they think "it happened a long time ago" in 2012? How about nate miles who never played a minute ever at uconn?
 
And now for the NCAA's:

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The transgressions include "academic misconduct," repeated drug violations and a booster doling out cash to Syracuse players and staff members. No change in Cuse's choice of post season ban....

Syracuse's penalties also include a five-year probation and the vacating of all wins in which ineligible men's
basketball student-athletes played in 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2010-11 and 2011-12, and in which ineligible football
student-athletes played in 2004, 2005 and 2006.........

Boeheim also has been suspended for nine ACC games next season and his program has been stripped of three
scholarships for each of the next four years, among other sanctions released Friday by the NCAA.

This post was edited on 3/6 1:44 PM by the Blades
 
The stripping of 3 scholarships and reducing them to 10 is really a blow because you will never have the full 10 scholies at any one time anyway, puts the Cuse in a tenuous situation with the Boeheim era possibly coming to an end soon anyway.
 
Also the 9 game suspension seems pretty significant- Calhoun only got 3, I am trying to remember anyone who got suspended longer other than the Show Cause that got handed out to Kelvin Sampson? I am probably forgetting someone............
 
Interesting take from SI: On why the NCAA accepting Cuse's timing of their self imposed ban is a joke:

If the decision were made, say, last fall, then that would have given the current players a chance to transfer at midseason.
Because the hearing before the infractions committee occurred in late October, that would have been difficult, but still plausible.
As long as their self imposed ban ban was announced in December, the players would still have had the chance to transfer
mid-semester.

Also: The Orange were going to have a hard time making the NCAA tournament this season, and it's not unreasonable to
speculate that that was a factor in this decision. Most of the current team is coming back and Boeheim signed a top-flight
recruiting class. Moreover, if Syracuse issued a ban for next year, that would allow the current players to participate in the
postseason and then transfer in the spring if they wish, and it would give the incoming recruits the option of backing out of
their commitment. Doing it this year gets the pain out of the way. Instead of having a ban hanging overhead for 13 months,
the program only has to operate under that specter for five weeks.

Thus the February timing of Cuse's announcement.

This post was edited on 3/6 2:59 PM by the Blades
 
Originally posted by KhalidShockedTheWorld:
Also the 9 game suspension seems pretty significant- Calhoun only got 3, I am trying to remember anyone who got suspended longer other than the Show Cause that got handed out to Kelvin Sampson? I am probably forgetting someone............
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I don't think it's enough....Calhoun's whole thing was about $3700 worth of medical bills paid by a rogue
former team manager, some phone calls and texts that are legal now and 1 player who never played a minute
for the school. Not the laundy list for years like Boeheim..

So It pales to the amount of dirt that Cuse has been covering up forever. And don't forget this ain't Boeheim's
first time around 1992- Syracuse Gets Lighter Penalty Than Expected So history does repeat itself when it
comes to him and his program...though the Big East let Cuse play in their conference tourney back then even
though the NCAA suspended them...


Oh and not the NCAA but the SEC ordered Bruce Pearl to sit out 8 of Tennessee's SEC games
This post was edited on 3/16 8:02 AM by the Blades
 
I agree Blades....what a load of BS in terms of accepting their half ass mid season self imposed ban.

The NCAA needed to hand down a ban for next year and then that would have sufficed. We were dragged through the mud by the media and the NCAA in the Nate Miles and the APR cases. Especially the case with the APR, we suffered mightily on the recruiting trail for almost two years.

We had AO and Roscoe transfer from our team with due to the APR and we watched as recruits fell more and more into the negative recruiting antics of opposing schools. Rakeem Christmas was never given the opportunity that AO had (I didn't agree with AO leaving but it should have been an option nonetheless). Cuse will most likely keep their top recruiting class for next year in tact when in essence it should have been gutted by those players backing out and signing elsehwere.

The effects of this sanction will be more long term. Those recruiting and scholarship restrictions are no joke, but it's almost like Cuse got a grace period. We are one of the few schools that can legitimately bitch about the way this was handled
 
Well a lot of those earlier violations were booster violations and there is no way for any head coach to control that stuff or know what's going on, the cash for meals, free legal advice etc. At the bigger schools with all the alumni they have it is impossible to police everything. Honestly, I feel sorry for Boeheim because I think he is the type of guy who simply doesn't want to be bothered with boosters and is likely oblivious to everything that happens outside his office. He is your classic guy who knew nothing because he didn't want to know anything, and is paying for it.

I can't remember if it was Boatright who got suspended for eating pizza that was given to him at a game? How can any coach know about or police that stuff? All you do is tell the kids what they can and cannot do and hope that they resist the temptation to take freebies in all the forms in which freebies come in.

I go back to He Got Game with Ray Allen as Jesus Shuttleworth. I think it was Tech U that lined up the white girls to have sex with Jesus. Do you think John Turturro, who was spouting God and religion and bible verses, had any clue what Rick Fox was up to getting Jesus banged by white girls?
 
Well good KSTW, you feel sorry for him while the rest of the world knows he's dumb like a fox. Academic fraud... covering up
drug violations...yep he never knows what's going on... I guess the moral to the story is cheat like it doesn't matter until
you get caught then serve a ban of your choice....but never turn in the real APR facts to the NCAA.... you get the same
post season ban and it hurts you even more....SMH !!!
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This post was edited on 3/7 7:57 AM by the Blades
 
Here is Jay Bilas's take which is that the NCAA likes to punish by doling out shame. There is a shame factor that is associated with these punishments. However Bilas does not believe that this is any deterrent and the APR requirements does not result in recruiting better students.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12432701
 
Seems SUPER light to me, covering up drug cases and Academic fraud........9 games and 3 schollies ?

NCAA is a joke and will we ever hear an answer on North Carolina ?
 
Dominick.

Are you aware that Bruce Pearl got 9 games for lying? Boeheim didn't lie, he was given 9 games for exactly what Calhoun was suspended for, failing to promote an atmosphere of compliance and failing to monitor his underlings. That's 9 for Boeheim and 3 for Calhoun for the exact same charges. The steeper punishment to Boeheim was for a longer history of stuff.

Pearl also got 9 though- for intentional misconduct- admittedly lying to the NCAA. To me Boeheim is guilty of negligence in overseeing his program, while Pearl was guilty of intentional misconduct. And he is coaching again! It's a strange world.

This post was edited on 3/6 7:45 PM by KhalidShockedTheWorld
 
Originally posted by Dominicfrank:
Seems SUPER light to me, covering up drug cases and Academic fraud........9 games and 3 schollies ?

NCAA is a joke and will we ever hear an answer on North Carolina ?
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Exactly Dom.....and what is academic fraud or covering up drug cases for 10 years, if not lying......it's all stuff to buck
the APR and not even follow drug policies when you now exactly what the consequences are if you do...so you keep
your team and players eligible. For one thing, so you can win games... as you go to Tournaments, roll in the $$$
and gain a competitive edge. Same thing UNC got caught doing as the NCAA tried their best to look away.

There is no f#ckin' comparison to that and what Calhoun gained through having Nate Miles (what his entire
investigation was about) as a recruit which was nothing, nada, not a minute on the court....no matter how this
joke of an NCAA wants to label it. It's why Boeheim was docked 108 wins by the NCAA and must return any
trophies or banners associated with any of the victories. Which is a joke in itself since the money has already
come through the turnstiles and the games are already played. The schollies hurt but they should have also got
a two year ban especially since this is his programs second time through mud (1992 ban)...whether he wants to play
dumb or not. Everything else is just a smokescreen to keep making money for the guys at the top and PR which
is all the NCAA is about anyway.
This post was edited on 3/7 7:54 AM by the Blades
 
KSTW- NOt even close to the same as JC, you must be joking.

I about wrecked my car when I was listening the the pregames today and they were talking about this and said the penalties WOULD HAVE BEEN FAR WORSE if the infractions were done at the time the NEW RULES were enacted.

WHAT ? Are you Serious ? UCONN gets a a ban for RETROACTIVE APR but cuse gets off lite because you can't enforce current rules and punishment RETRO ?

Man I was beside myself when I heard that was the reason the NCAA didnt come down harder. What an F'ing joke.
 
+1.. Dom...the NCAA has proven over and over there are 2 sets of rules....one for those they chose for their sacred
Power 5 and one set for those that are not. Anyone who can't see that is blind as a bat or some media type apologista
who went there or is covering those programs and getting all the benefits that go along with it.... as they lick their balls.

The scary thing is now that the P-5 are making so much money they are actually blatant about it and have made it legal to
have 2 sets of rules.

CBS Sports- Cuse worked hard to cover up fraud



This post was edited on 3/8 8:53 AM by the Blades
 
+1 Dom, Blades, etc

I could actually care less about the 9 game suspension Boeheim is getting vs the 3 game suspension Calhoun got. Cuse shuold be banned NEXT YEAR from the NCAA tourney, banned from playing in the ACC tourney NEXT YEAR..

are you kidding me? If there is anyone on this board who is happy with being in a non P5 league, being a so-called big fish in a small pond...just remember this, remember UNC, and god help UC if in the future we ever get ourselves in a predicament. Absolutely no leverage at all. I have no desire to be the big fish...just my opinion.
 
I agree that Syracuse should be banned from the tourney. Punish the school more severely. Regarding Boeheim, he has claimed he is being scapegoated for the actions of a "rogue" Director of Basketball Operations and the local director of the YMCA. See below.

Calhoun was also punished for the actions of a "rogue" former student manager, Josh Nochimson, who was to blame for the Nate Miles fiasco. So from the standpoint of punishing the coaches there is a similarity as it is the exact same charges levied by the NCAA as between Calhoun and Boeheim, and the same situation of having rogue underlings who (allegedly) were to blame.

What the NCAA is trying to do is hold coaches accountable for the actions of their subordinates which is how it works in the real world. When the Secret Service allowed that nutjob to breach the White House, who got fired? The head of the Secret Service. In any organization when shit happens the chain of punishment works its way upstream.

The difference with Syracuse is the academic fraud and the span of time - you can debate the length of the Boeheim suspension but the facts are he is punished for the exact same charges Calhoun was punished for - it's not a debating point since the NCAA specifically identified the same charges in imposing the suspension.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12446895/jim-boeheim-syracuse-orange-vows-stay-not-going-anywhere
 
Hmmm....alot of smoke going around....Is the AD sitting down with the HC and deciding...." You know those drug policies ?
Let's just go ahead and ignore the rules on reporting positive drug tests. " so they can win games and keep their players on
the court...... just 2 underlings who don't know better ?

Nochimson worked for Nochimson and was trying to play agent with money he stole from Rip for his own selfish interest.
He wasn't an underling or employed by Uconn at the time.

But in Cuse's case the local director of the YMCA worked for Cuse at the time of all this fraud: " SU hired Leo as a part-time
tutor after he met a former athletics learning specialist in the late 1980s. Syracuse expanded Leo's role around 2000,
designating him a mentor for the football program. He met with players who needed help academically.
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This article looks at some of the NCAA cases that are on the level of fraud that Boeheim and the AD are responsible
for and asks:

Should Syracuse hold Jim Boeheim, Daryl Gross accountable? A look at NCAA's recent major cases

This post was edited on 3/9 12:35 PM by the Blades
 
Any truth that they may strip them of their only title?

I just heard that from a coworker here????
 
Originally posted by Ozzie3178:
Any truth that they may strip them of their only title?
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SB NATION-The 5 wildest facts from the Syracuse scandal
2. The investigation conveniently ignores Syracuse's run to the national championship in 2003

" The investigation into Syracuse's improprieties started before the title run and ended well after it, but the year the Orange
won it all seems to exist in a safe zone in the NCAA's eyes. Hakeem Warrick and Gerry McNamara and all of the other
players that helped key that championship won't be figuratively turning over their rings."

Charles Robinson@
"NCAA says Cuse basketball went rogue from 2001-2012; lets Orange keep 02-03 title; criticizes itself for its


own lengthy investigation.


 
Thanks Blades... I did not think so but a coworker around here sounded serious.
 
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