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The Big 12.....expansion talk continues.....The Manchester JI did a recent story regarding expansion and an appearance by a longtime sports writer at The Oklahoman (who's had his ear to many of the Big 12 decision makers for years).....on a radio show in West Virginia. He says the B12 is still split with 3 factions regarding expansion...OU has been one of the schools pushing it. The interesting part starts at the 32 minute mark and goes to 43 minutes. He says BYU is the biggest target but spreading the conference from Utah to the Atlantic probably doesn't work.

Berry Tramel really talks up Uconn to the Big 12 and them being back on the table. He talks adding Uconn & Cincy to get an east coast presence for ( FOX ?) TV markets and Big 12 geography along with WVU. He also talks about Diaco turning around FB, great hoops and academics( which he never knew Uconn rated so highly on)

With Uconn already traveling to far away places like Tex, OK, FLA and New Orleans the travel isn't much different and it would probably bump FB attendance up enough to support expansion of " the RENT" to the 50,000 + that it was built for.....With the Big 12 not playing hockey just like the AAC, keeping Hockey East would be a plus-plus....and Kansas, Iowa St, Tex ,OU, WVU right on down the line is a huge upgrade for hoops...Ultimately the B1G ( meaning we lose Hockey East) or the ACC is probably a better fit in more CR...but

Here is the DEC 22nd- audio link.

or the main site: http://wvmetronews.com/shows/sportsline/
 
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Yeah, we hit on this possibility earlier in the Fieldhouse, because there was some sensitive info involved. We can definitely have the discussion part here.

UConn to the Big 12 isn't as crazy as many people seem to think. The TV money hangup is a moot point because all schools will be paid the same if the Big 12 adds schools, no sharing. The geography is manageable. As you said, UConn is already going all over for the AAC, and an extra hour on a charter flight never hurt nobody.

If they go to 14, adding something like UConn, Temple, Memphis and Cincinnati is conceivable. It gives them a foothold in a densley populated and wealthy region with UConn (NYC, Hartford-New Haven, Boston) and Temple with Philly, a top-5 market that has proven to back Temple as its major sports teams improve. All four of these schools also public and have varying degrees of "history/prestige" in football and/or basketball. It also gives West Virginia some people to play with and they could help form some sort of "East Division" maybe with Kansas and K-State. There are also tons of fans of Big 12 schools in all those cities.

I don't think BYU wants to be in a conference, it has little incentive to do so. Boise State is a decent option for its football but basketball is bunk and Boise is not a large market. I also don't think the Big 12 wants to expand to Florida.

If the opportunity exists, which it looks like appears as though it does since the Big 12 will be denied the exception to have a championship game, then UConn's leadership should be doing everything it can to make it happen. The only thing that matters is TV money. We need more of it. Soon.
 
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The conference alignments that exist currently are all driven by short term thinking and none of them make any sense. The entire system as it currently exists is destined to collapse. The direction in which things are headed logically means fewer winners and more losers. When teams that previously had a winning tradition start to lose interest dries up and revenues dry up. If there is revenue sharing and one school is a taker and not a giver it's only a matter of time before they get asked to leave. The current system at some point will blow up because it is not sustainable and is built on short term thinking.

I would recommend that you guys read the book the Big Short or see the movie. The book is actually a great read, the movie is essentially faithful with some embellishments. The bottom line is that nothing that happened as far as home loans made any sense because when you give large amounts of money to people who ain't gonna be able to pay, guess what, they will not be able to pay. Similarly these conference realignments into large mega conferences driven by TV revenue isn't going to work unless some competitive balance is maintained and there are as many winners as losers and not the same few teams winning every year. Otherwise the teams at the bottom of the conference become net takers and the other schools that are net givers leave. It is all logic and common sense and applies to this economic system as any other.

I don't believe that the existing model of conference alignment is sustainable so what conference UConn is in either now or in 2 years will not matter. Eventually what will happen is Congress will regulate college sports. At the moment heading in the same direction just don't know when we get there. As things stand now realignment will be perpetual and there will never be any continuity in any one conference structure.
 
KSTW, I would have never expected that view from you, I've only heard it about a dozen times or so, while big time college sports pass you by. ....I have some reading for you too, it's known as the Southwest Conference, they had a group of forward thinking presidents....and like you and your thinking some other dinosaur schools that got left behind and didn't evolve, where exactly is that conference now ? Like you I'd love the courts or congress to break-up the P-5 monopoly but since NCAA lost it's TV case in '84 I'd say that profit sharing dream has left the building.....in the mean time we can continue to enjoy hoops vs. pathetically ranked ( RPI-wise) AAC teams...some that play in empty HS gyms. But I have a simpler solution so you don't have to keep following P-5 hoops programs to figure out where Uconn would fit in vs. them and their RPI......it's called if you can't beat em' join em'
 
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The direction in which things are headed logically means fewer winners and more losers. When teams that previously had a winning tradition start to lose interest dries up and revenues dry up..
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KSTW.....regarding this and we'll talk hoops here... your golden child..... How many schools we're in the old Big East...16 correct...none of the P-5 have 16 schools ...the Big 12 only has 10.... But did those 16 Big East teams create to many losers ? No actually they set the bar higher and got a record 11 teams in the NCAA's one year and over half other times...so another argument you use over and over with no basis.
 
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I am focused on the present not the past. The Big East model was sustainable based on basketball and teams selected based on their basketball and on geography/rivalries. The present economic model isn't sustainable and nobody has provided any analysis as to how the conference alignments are supposed to last long term within the parameters of the existing model. No logic is being employed as was the case with the Big East basketball model.

Football is a sport played at a high level mainly in the south and not the north or the east. Out of all this there will evolve one conference of schools which will be all located in the south. At that point there will likely be a schism from the power 5 and a collapse of the other conferences.

It's all going to implode in scandals. And when the inevitable scandals occur there will be an overhauling of the entire model.

Blades your thinking is similar to the real life character Wing Chau in "The Big Short"......go with where the money is and all that matters is the income and revenue streams. Look at what happened to WIng Chau. His thinking was not fundamentally different than yours, in that he looked at the economic bottom line with no analysis on how that bottom line was arrived at.
 
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Ah yes implode in scandal.....:confused:..OK...Nostradamus..?.. .is that all you got....and no the BE wasn't sustainable because of mixed interests( FB and BB onlies, but there were never to many losers).. Anyway you have some nice theories but in the meantime you have plenty of presidents and AD's( some in the P-5 that are currently collecting those big paychecks) and plenty outside that have already done the math and are trying to get in......... while Uconn sits in the AAC poor house as BE exit fees erode away..
 
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KhalidShockedTheWorld said:
Blades your thinking is similar to the real life character Wing Chau in "The Big Short"......go with where the money is and all that matters is the income and revenue streams. Look at what happened to WIng Chau. His thinking was not fundamentally different than yours, in that he looked at the economic bottom line with no analysis on how that bottom line was arrived at.
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Again you'll never get it..the basis is all about about competing at the highest level..that's what BE hoops used to be ...everything else will fall in place for the fanbase and beyond ...and it's not my thinking....why don't you read what every Pres and AD in the AAC is doing to get out.
 
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Blades it's amazing to me how this is echoing the Big Short- in the movie the constant counter argument to logic was "can the US government be wrong? Can Moody's and S&P be wrong?" Answer: "hell Yes!!!!!!". In this case substitute US government and Moody's for presidents and ADs. They are wrong!!!!! Period!!!!
 
No actually KSTW, it echos some movie for you......this is about top competition, fans and entertainment for me..not that you would understand a thing about that.. but keep thinking small time..it's fits you well.......peace out
 
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http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-conference-questions-future-expansion-1528668401.html
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"Connecticut: UConn came up in a surprising number of conversations considering its geography, lack of relevant football history and void of local recruiting (???). UConn would be attractive in a scenario in which the league adds a cable network, as it theoretically could bring a lot of eyeballs in the Northeast. The strong academics and basketball program would also be assets, as would the notion of the Big 12 adding a flagship state school. But if the conversation inevitably turns back to football, UConn wouldn't cut it."

Interesting but as always he views Uconn FB as a weak link. I just don't get guys like Pete Thamel who is a Cuse grad. His team has been a doormat in FB for over decade and a half , they've had 3 winning seasons in the last 14, but somehow Cuse is P-5 worthy ??? Everyone forgets how fast Uconn put it together as the first school ever to move from the FCS to a BCS conference and won 2 BE championships in 7 years. While also having winning FB records in the Big East vs. Cuse, Pitt and Notre Dame before they all ran away. Hell they even beat Baylor and RG III twice ! If anything Uconn FB with some stability could be a growth stock with the (FB) facilities already in place. And Big 12 comp could improve recruiting just like it did in hoops when Calhoun came and sold playing BE hoops vs. the best along with the new Gampel Pavilion.

Also one other thing regarding Thamels's void of local recruiting comment above & the perceived lack of football talent in CT....This map is a few years old but CT who has no other FBS team in state to compete with put out as many NFL players as all these states and dwarfs many of them: OKlahoma, Arkansas, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconson, Kansas, Kentucky , West Virginia .... so it's not the barren wasteland for elite talent that some think:
* Where every active NFL players went to high school
 
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Another read from today: UConn A Candidate For Big 12?

" Thanks to the football team’s resurgence under Bob Diaco, UConn is no longer hampered by having one of the nation’s worst teams in the most important sport. UConn would be another good travel partner for WVU, as they’re also closer to the Mountaineers than any current Big XII school, and they bring with them a number of significant positives that no other expansion candidate can offer. For one, they’re an east coast school and a brief drive from New York City and Boston, the #1 and #8 TV markets in the country, respectively. They’re a land-grant school with statewide support, meaning you’re not dealing with only local fan support, like urban schools like Memphis and Cincinnati are. UConn would be one of the best academic schools in the Big 12, ranking behind only Texas, according to the US News and World Report rankings of National Universities. And, of course, there’s the tremendous athletic success seen by the Huskies in men’s and women’s basketball. Surely the Big XII would love to see someone legitimately challenge Kansas for the annual Big XII crown (and tell me you wouldn’t all circle that game on the calendar every year, Jayhawks fans)."
 
* Bristol Press - UConn has become a prime subject of Big 12 expansion chatter

" Kansas State president Kirk Schulz, who formerly chaired the Big 12 committee on expansion, met with UConn president Susan Herbst in November when the Wildcats played the Huskies in women’s basketball in Hartford..According to a tweet sent by Schulz after the dinner, Herbst took the opportunity to talk up UConn."
 
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Seems kind of a weird time to write this article if any of the recent chatter is true, then again maybe it isn't, but Jacobs goes into all out attack mode( hmmm, aren't you 3 or 4 years to late ?) of Uconn having to play nice about not being in a Power 5 and says all the players involved in the Cartel ( like P-5 Presidents, Commissioners and TV Networks) need to man up as to why they've been left out. He even brings up congress......but only on Uconn's behalf. (Blumenthal again...WTF ??)..........Here are some excerpts and he says his New Year's resolution is to:

"Document exactly why the University of Connecticut has not gained membership in one of the Power Five conferences. Determine exactly what it would take to gain membership in one of the Power Five conferences. And, oh yes, agitate, agitate, agitate. UConn president Susan Herbst should not rest in 2016. UConn athletic director Warde Manuel should not rest. Gov. Malloy should not sleep on this. The state legislature should not sleep on this. Connecticut's Congressional representatives, with an opportunity to make noise in Washington, should not sleep on this."

Also : " Who died and left Vanderbilt boss? Or Wake Forest in the ACC? or Iowa State ?...Rutgers got into the Big Ten, but the only thing the Scarlet Knights have led the nation in has been athletic debacles. BC, by the way, has taken all the ACC money, but how is working out for them on the field and on the court? "

"There are a half dozen other schools out there that are as good or better at athletics than the bottom half of some of these Power Five conferences. They are getting ripped off. They know it. The Power Five cartel knows it. Yet, after the massive upheaval of a few years back, everybody smiles and tries to make nice because the biggest boys got what they want and schools like UConn, Cincinnati, Boise State and BYU don't want scream too loud for fear of upsetting the cartel and losing their place in line."

"Herbst and Manuel shouldn't rest in 2016. But I wouldn't be doing my job if I let the presidents at BC or Wake Forest or Vanderbilt or Northwestern or Rutgers rest easy. Or, for that matter, the kingmakers at Texas, Notre Dame, LSU, Penn State, Michigan and Alabama, etc. And what about the commissioners of the Power Five and the big executives over in Bristol at ESPN or at Fox? They can all expect emails or phone calls in the coming months for their full-throated assessment of why they have kept UConn out and haven't let them in since. We all know a bunch of stuff already. Let's see if they have the integrity to say it publicly."

Full Read: The Hartford Courants: Jeff Jacobs: No Rest On UConn Vs. Power Five
 
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Lots of chatter out there saying Jan 16th we start hearing if it is Cinci and UCONN or Cinci and Houston.
 
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Lots of chatter out there saying Jan 16th we start hearing if it is Cinci and UCONN or Cinci and Houston.
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Yeah alot of that going on in the twitterverse with all the speculators....I've read some of the usual suspects work like :

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 20h20 hours ago
What BTM believes...is UCONN was Memphis replacement..and this perception been confirmed by people other than UCONN's perception.....
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 19h19 hours ago
We @flugempire for the first time can say with tremendous confidence that Cincinnatti will be invited (has not happened yet) to the Big 12.....
Big 12 Expansion was always going to be a compromise
1) OU gets exp
2) KU gets veto
3) WV gets partner
4) ESPN blocks FLA
5) UT Final Pick
6) FOX gets more Eastern P5 Content
7) new recruiting ground (Ohio-East)
8) BB gets new Rivals
9) New Research $ and focus
10) > Footprint
" One more item...and this comes from OU who confirmed Friday Night UCONN INTEL. Reality = Texas will make the decision between UH or UCONN "

So will there be any political pressure in Tex for Houston/ FB team...... or on the other hand do all the TEX schools want even more recruiting competion than they already have in-state....and if they want to improve their footprint for their TV partners and a future Big 12 network ( or if Texas is looking 4 more market penetration for the Longhorn Network which has been a massive fail for ESPN) ...........Also interesting TV side note: Comcast just dropped the YES Network( owned by Fox/ Big 12 partner) here in CT, which also shows basketball games from their Big 12 ( Fox relationship) ......could a Uconn add be additional impetuous to get YES back on Comcast in CT ?

And from
Tim Fontenault ‏@Tim_Fontenault 19h19 hours ago
All I know from a source is unsurprising: UConn, Big 12 have discussed potential move. But I'm skeptical of any further talk.

From the interviewer above:
Matt Schonvisky ‏@MattSchonvisky 13h13 hours ago
Talked w/member of Oklahoma media last week who mentioned #UConn, I'll touch base w/Texas on Tuesday to talk latest Big 12 expansion rumors

Also still hearing some BYU chatter but that would spread the B12 from Utah to the Atlantic coast with WVU....Yea or nay on expansion will probably still depend on
the P-5 vote coming up and if the Big 12 gets their FB champ. game with only 10 teams.... and the B1G leading the charge against it...If Uconn does get passed
for the umpteenth time I'd much rather it be BYU +1 in the AAC......because if P-5 expansion does go down again this may be the last time in our lifetime.
 
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I also remember this twitter exchange a few months back:
Former Editor for CBS News, former Executive Producer of Inside The BIG EAST Sammy Albano ‏@SammyAlbano
"So @UConnHuskies calling @BIGEAST presidents 4 an audience bout membership in #BigEast"

But then one of the responses was "So this is out there. Hearing it is for MLAX that goes D1 in '18, not basketball. Don't get giddy just yet #BIGEAST "

TheBasketBallOpinion @BasketballOP @SammyAlbano "you need to clarify what sport this is for"

[URL='https://twitter.com/SammyAlbano']Sammy Albano @BasketballOP[/URL] "I don't need 2 do anything, capece?"

What's interesting is that no one in the Big 12 plays men's soccer except for WVU, which joined the MAC after they left the BE....Uconn and Cincy do but ....... could this
meeting be Uconn exploring a rejoin of the Big East in men's soccer if they were to go to the Big 12.....Uconn is still a member of the Big East in 2 Women's sports



https://twitter.com/hashtag/AmericanAthleticConference?src=hash
 
UConn girls bring a lot more to the table than Cincy does in women's hoops. Last week UConn beat Cincy by 62. Big 12 very competitive in women's hoops right now. Baylor, Texas, Oklahoma always have good teams.
 
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Matt Schonvisky ‏@MattSchonvisky 2h2 hours ago
If it comes down to Houston or UConn for final spot: "there's A LOT of anti-Houston sentiment in Big 12" #BleedBlue http://thisisuconncountry.com/2015/12/huskies-big-12/…
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If it comes down to us or Houston and we lose out to Houston then we are officially doomed. The amount of positives our university brings to any conference is off the charts in comparison to most of the other schools already firmly entrenched in the P5.

Enough is enough with us getting the cold shoulder. Let's hope this rumor has some serious legs to it. There will be some key hurdles to clear but here's to keeping our fingers crossed that the Big 12's appeal for the 12 team conference championship game does not get overturned.
 
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I also remember this twitter exchange a few months back:
Former Editor for CBS News, former Executive Producer of Inside The BIG EAST Sammy Albano ‏@SammyAlbano
"So @UConnHuskies calling @BIGEAST presidents 4 an audience bout membership in #BigEast"

But then one of the responses was "So this is out there. Hearing it is for MLAX that goes D1 in '18, not basketball. Don't get giddy just yet #BIGEAST "

TheBasketBallOpinion @BasketballOP @SammyAlbano "you need to clarify what sport this is for"

Sammy Albano @BasketballOP "I don't need 2 do anything, capece?"

What's interesting is that no one in the Big 12 plays men's soccer except for WVU, which joined the MAC after they left the BE....Uconn and Cincy do but ....... could this
meeting be Uconn exploring a rejoin of the Big East in men's soccer if they were to go to the Big 12.....Uconn is still a member of the Big East in 2 Women's sports
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One of the biggest a-holes you will even encounter ( Sammy Albano ) , he calls himself the Maven. BUT, he is very connected.
 
It's seems like a bunch of local print media guru's are chiming in with different takes regarding this topic, the JI, Bristol Press and now the Courant's Jacobs does a pile on with a different twist as columnists are likely to do. Then you have the internet chatter running like wildfire and twitterverse..Here's a good semi-pre game report ( if the game ever happens) of all this from Aman on the Uconn Blog with some good in story links to relevant info. He also gives a shout out to the UConn Report from his other side of the house:
The Uconn Blog - Conference Realignment: Big 12 Expansion and Why UConn has a Shot
 
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Uconn reppin' in NYC.... might as well...... they've had a NYC TV Network (SNY) for years ! :

New Jacobs( more facts based): UConn's Ticket To Power Five Conference Goes Through New York

"Having said that, Jan. 15 is an important day for UConn. That's the Friday a vote is expected among the 10 FBS conferences at the NCAA Convention in San Antonio."
"So the 10-team Big 12 has sought a waiver from the NCAA rule that conferences need to have at least 12 schools for a league championship. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, however, has proposed an amendment that such a game must match division champions, so no conference could manipulate the system and put its two top schools in the game regardless of the division to increase the chances of getting one of the four spots in the national playoff."

"In case you wonder who is boss: The Power Five votes count twice as much as the Group of Five (one is The American). Yet if the Power Five votes splinter as expected, the Group of Five could have plenty of say on the outcome."

"That's what makes the New York market so important. UConn knows this. That's why, sources indicate, it has become so much part of its strategy in conference realignment. As athletic director Warde Manuel pointed out the other day, there are in excess of 11 million TV households in the New York-to-Boston corridor. That number dwarfs any other school. This certainly doesn't mean everybody is a UConn fan. What it does mean is that the Big 12 is given an entry into the New York market. The Big Ten figured this out. Delany even opened a secondary office in New York."


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Just a FYI.....Uconn attendance and the AAC effect, plus the Pasqualoni factor in FB :

Uconn Football
...........Games/Avg Per Game /Capacity % (40,000 seat stadium, not including standing room)
2003- 6/ 37059 92.6% ( First year at Rentschler Field- Independent)
2004- 7/ 39304 98.3% (first year in Big East )
2005- 6/ 40000 100%
2006- 7/ 38939 97.3%
2007- 7/ 38205 95.5%
2008- 6/ 39331 98.3%
2009- 6/ 38229 95.6%
2010- 6/ 38248 95.6%
2011- 7/ 36668 91.7% (Fired AD Jeff Hathaway hires program killer Paul Pasqualoni)
2012- 6/ 34672 86.6% (Last year of BE/ 2 years of non-bowl 5-7 records)
2013- 7/ 30932 77.3% (First year AAC, PP fired, 0-9 start, Wiest finishes as HC / 3-9)
2014- 7- 27461 68.6% (Diaco Era tear down to slightly over 60 scholly players / 2-10)
2015- 6- 28224 70.5% ( Diaco makes 1st bowl in 5 years at 6-6/ with all-time low of approx 15,000 season tickets/ high-water mark of 32,000 set in 2005 )

Uconn Basketball
.............Games/Avg Per Game
2002-03 16/ 13229
2003-04 18/ 13549
2004-05 17/ 13771
2005-06 16/ 13948
2006-07 20/ 13012
2007-08 17/ 11887
2008-09 16/ 12518
2009-10 19/ 11685
2010-11 17/ 11569
2011-12 17/ 12640
2012-13 16/ 10728 ( Final Big East year/ NCAA ban)
2013-14 18/ 10134 ( First year AAC, National Champs)
2014-15 16/ 10957
2015-16... 9/ 9315 ( so far)
 
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Yea.... Same chatter I heard yesterday as well that leaning towards keeping it at 10 and having a conference title game with ten teams
 
Surprised the B1G and the rest are going along with this, didn't they already say no and isn't it the reason everyone else ( like the AAC add of Navy) had to have 12 to get the CCG.
But as long as Uconn doesn't get left behind with 2 more AAC's leaving and a back fill like Akron or Middle Tenn St......I guess it not the worse possible scenario.
 
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and another B12 chat from Matt ( from an Iowa St. view)
Matt Schonvisky ‏@MattSchonvisky 6h6 hours ago
I talked w/@BobbyLaGesse (Ames Tribune) to preview the vote #UConn http://thisisuconncountry.com/2016/01/bobby-la-gesse-big-xii/…

This week, however, things changed again as Big XII commissioner Bob Bowlsby indicated he is working hard to try to amend the proposal being voted on.
“Conferences are all big money entities,” La Gesse, who covers Iowa State athletics said by phone. “The fiscal side shows that there’s more money to be made if they expand by a couple of teams [regardless]. It also gives the Big 12 safety, playing defense a little bit, cause if the Big 12 loses a team, it leaves them in a really tough spot.”

" I know they [Iowa State administration] have said positive things overall [about UConn] and the passion that is there in their athletic department,” La Gesse confirmed. “The thing with Iowa State, however, is they’ve been staunch in whatever is best for the league, is what they tend to go with. They don’t have as much say and sway as much as a Texas or Oklahoma. I don’t think Iowa State is the type of program you would need to advocate for an addition to the league.”

La Gesse went on to say that Oklahoma President Dave Boren and West Virginia President Gordon Gee are staunch advocates of expansion, along with schools such as Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU and Baylor.

“I think the league is fine right now at ten teams, but if there is major realignment again, there’s going to be somebody that’s going to be in trouble because it’s them [the Big XII] and the ACC that is probably the only ones at risk of getting picked apart. I think if you are a fan of a school in the league, you should be a little worried [should the league remain at just ten].”
 
I think it's always been the same in the Big 12....just like when TEX, OU and their sidekicks were talking to the PAC a few years ago and almost left...Source: Pac-12 eyes deal for Texas, Oklahoma..... With a conference that small, a Longhorn network that only benefits Tex and basically 2 teams calling the shots..... the rest of the Big 12 are just happy they stayed or else they might've been part of the AAC....but they aren't, so they get the honorary P-5 badge and I'm jealous !!!
 
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I am beyond confused by all of this. None of it makes any sense to me and none of the conference alignments and realignments and thinking behind same have ever made any sense. I am an attorney by training and profession and I look at sports issues same as my own practice- through the prism of logic. I have concluded since a long time ago none of it makes sense, none of it is supposed to make sense and college athletics operates in violation of antitrust laws. Eventually congress will either act to expand antitrust regulation to college sports or the courts will. The pro sports leagues all make some sense. College athletics doesn't and this is why.
 
That been my biggest gripe about the P-5 and I tend to agree with you KSTW about it seeming like antitrust and your the lawyer not me.....but this case that the NCAA lost in '84..threw every thing upside down....prior to this the NCAA was a single negotiator (profit sharing) for college sports( the NCAA's deal they struck in 79' with ESPN is how the company started out) and it's never been the same since. So what's the chance this ever gets overturned ? The BE Catholic 7 who don't play FB didn't wait around...they understood reality and said see ya... for about double the money from FOX Sports.....the way things are set-up it's every school for itself... Rivalries and geography be gone !
 
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I am not an antrirust expert. It just strikes me as slowly gravitating towards anti-competitive monopolistic behavior that is only in the interest of a few schools at the detriment of others. Honestly I am not familiar with that decision and never read it carefully. I go by instinct on things because laws are always subject to being changed by the legislature or in some instances the courts.
 
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