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Louisville imposing postseason ban

I don't like the SMU postseason ban (actually imposed by the NCAA) and I don't like this one either. The 2 senior grad transfers that have been starting for Louisville, Lee and Lewis, really do not deserve this. They went to Louisville for the same reason Gibbs and Miller went to UConn, for one last chance to play in an NCAA tournament. That has now been taken away from them as a result of accusations that have absolutely nothing to do with either one. Like Gibbs and Miller both have been productive leaders for the Cardinals team which has played very well.

I truly believe that Rick Pitino is one of the best coaches in the nation and I think he generally does things the right way. He has made some mistakes in the past, and obviously hired some assistants who were goofballs. But he is a HOF coach and be doesn't deserve this.

The worst thing is this: now 2 teams are banned that were both strong Final 4 and title contenders. Both of those teams had the experience and talent necessary to make a NCAA title run. And it's guaranteed that now the team that wins the 2016 NCAA title will be second guessed and there will be "what if" questions forever by SMU and Louisville fanbases. There has to be a more effective and fair way to punish programs than this. It is not right, it is not fair minded and it's also not fair to the teams that will actually play in the NCAA tournament.
 
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At the moment, Louisville is 18-4 and at 7-2 is in sole possession of 2nd place in the ACC, having recently handed 1st place UNC it's only loss in league play.

I think Lee and Lewis should both hire local legal counsel to file a restraining order based on having been deprived of their rights as college athletes and also having their professional livelihoods threatened despite having nothing to do whatsoever with the conduct that led to the ban. If Russ Wood is reading this please tell those kids to hire attorneys immediately because they are the ones who are getting screwed the most and they are the 2 best players on the team and really don't deserve this.
 
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While I agree; it was their choice to choose Louisville so whatever happens there is part of their assumption of risk. I also agree Pitino is one of the greatest coaches in the modern era but I would never perceive him as a good/stand up guy. There is absolutely no way Pitino had zero clue what was happening and if he did well too bad because he is the captain of the ship so everything that happens is part of his responsibility.

If I started working for a hedge fund and I didnt so anything wrong and the SEC comes in and shuts the place down I dont think there is any legal options I have to save my job. I just have to accept things happened and move on.

I am glad Lee went to Lville rather than Maryland.
 
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Here is the video of the entire press conference this afternoon- Pitino's very moving comments about his team start at the 4:20 mark:

 
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To F'in Bad.....neither did Uconn when the NCAA bureaucrats banned Bazz and Co. for a retroactively changed passing APR grade from 6-7 years before they got there. All while the players who got banned for Uconn had a 1000 APR, 2 years in a row. And with a bunch of media trashing the Uconn program who had no clue what a travesty it was for those kids...

So tough luck and maybe future Louisville recruits should beware of a slimmy coach wants to play dumb about parties, cash and hookers....going on inside his own frickin' house.....Oh and by the way, where's the NCAA while we're still waiting for that 10 years of fraud to be punished down at UNC ? ....while their AD is still jobbing the system so they can play in the tourney again this year.
 
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Interesting that UNC has nothing happen for what in my mind are much more serious allegations than what were made against Louisville.

The problem with the Louisville ban this year is that number 1 it doesn't hurt their recruiting at all, but at the same time punishes the two grad transfers that had nothing to do with the alleged violations. Effectively the program isn't punished at all but those two kids are. Blades I can't believe you are okay with that. It is objectively bizarre. They are clearly self banning and sacrificing those kids like lambs to preserve recruiting.
 
KSTW, you have an opinion. I'm not surprised....... I see it more along the lines of what Uconn Family posted above...... but welcome to the NCAA.....It is strange how the NCAA lets "certain" schools create their own punishment..when and how they'd like to.....I'm hoping this won't be the end of their punishment, I'd like to see some schollies lost and Pitino suspended by the NCAA, but I'm not holding my breath. .especially when it comes to these protected P-5 programs who get their own set of rules from the NCAA to start with. ( see Cuse banning theirselves when they weren't making the tourney anyway)..... ...... Collateral damage happens to kids or even fans who did nothing wrong in the NCAA ... see 2012-13 season as a Uconn fan.... So you won't see me crusading for Cuse, UNC or the Ville, especially now that they're designated as "privileged" programs who had much more dirt to worry about than how "real grades" and a real APR is calculated.
 
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Blades from my selfish perspective as a UConn fan, I agree with everything you have posted on this subject 100%. I would add that from a competitive standpoint I am happy Louisville is out because they beat UConn 2 times during UConn's 2011 national championship season and 3 times in UConn's 2014 national championship season. UConn caught a break in 2014 NCAA tourney when Louisville was upset by Kentucky, a game Kentucky was very lucky to have won. The reason Louisville won all those games against UConn was due to superior coaching by Pitino. They are a formidable team and opponent that is now out.

However as I mentioned previously I try to look at these issues objectively and as a college basketball fan and through the spectacles I wear as a professional attorney. I thought the punishment not fitting of the "crime", and I watched Pitino's comments at his press conference and was moved by what he said. Lee and Lewis had only one chance for an NCAA tournament, that's why they went to Louisville and it's been taken from them absolutely without justification or cause. Yes it's collateral damage. It's also a travesty of justice.
 
Like I said I agree with Uconn family... why aren't you questioning him ?? ( that seems objectively bizarre)

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...and unlike you I'm not into licking other schools "balls" or their causes...and I really could care about less about Pitino's " self serving" press conference, I know he's an adulterer and I don't know him personally but like Calhoun once said in the past about him....... the difference between Pitino and Calipari is ..."Rick is a bull*hitter that actually believes his own bull*hit, John is a bull*itter who openly knows he is selling you bull*hit and doesn't care".... but if you are moved.. hooray for you...... as an attorney maybe you can represent them. Or if nothing else you might get some "likes" from some trolling Ville fans ..so enjoy....But I didn't see you getting all butt angry about Uconn and the kids seeking legal representation when they were banned, so in that sense I find you objectively bizarre. But hey your an attorney and a Uconn fan ( I think).... so to each his own
 
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I am not licking anyone's balls. I am just calling it as a I see it. What happened to UConn in 2013 was totally unfair, but I don't know if that team would have gone deep in the NCAA tournament and the way I look at it is that 2014 national championship happened BECAUSE of the ban. So you should thank the NCAA for that ban. Shabazz even said the ban made them winners:

 
Wow, your just figuring out that the NCAA is unfair and inconsistent as to how and when they dole out penalties, who in their Ol' boys network they protect and who they hurt unjustly. Come on bro, I've written a book on this site about these NCAA hypocrites that seem to be dictated to by certain P-5's.....but my other thought is for Ville to ban themselves so quickly.... ( why didn't the NCAA accept Uconn's self imposed punishments or appeals ?) and for Pitino to change the narrative to the " poor victims"..... tells me they must have alot of dirt on good Ol' Rick.... that the Louisville AD wants everyone to forget about......real fast.
 
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Very convenient by the ville!!

NCAA will now do much the same to them as Syracuse got..... Bunch of nonsense!!!
 
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Writers now white-knighting for Louisville were deafeningly quiet as UConn was banned for bad grades of guys no longer in the program.
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Recruits were lured with hookers. "I must defend the players!" A few guys 4 years ago failed Linguistics. "Burn down UConn. The horror!"
 
I'm with Khalid. This is lawsuit material. The transfers selected LVille because of playing style and ability to play in NCAA tournament. LVille scammed them. Louisville could just as easily said, 'we will impose the ban next year. We don't think it's right for the current players. In particular, the two transfers'

The only positive to the self imposed punishment is, it puts pressure on UNC to do something on their own as well. Of course they won't. If anything, they will do it next year.
 
Thanks for the love NDH. I heard there is a petition going around among Louisville fans to rescind the ban but don't know how much steam it has. Steam would increase if Lee and Lewis retain counsel and a restraining order is filed and Louisville is forced to lawyer up.

Regarding Terry Pettit's post: If you accept Terry Pettit's rationale then you can also say there was no way Calhoun didn't know Clyde Vaughn was seeing hookers. Vaughn had two prior arrests for patronizing prostitutes. What about that record told UConn they were getting a guy who didn't take risks off the court? Let's be real here for a moment. Personally none of it bothers me that much except the stupidity of what Louisville did paying for hookers for kids who can easily get laid for free by women of their choice. But seeing or paying for escorts is essentially a victimless crime. It isn't even a crime in certain parts of Nevada and many foreign countries.
 
There are 2 parts to this story...did the transfer students get screwed by the Louisville decision ? Yes, so I guess in that point they are victims of something had they no control of and were lied to about when they accepted Pitino's courtship....maybe they should sue the school or maybe they shouldn't have believed the Ville AD and transferred before the season started...but really f*ck that white knight stuff because some athlete got screwed by the NCAA system, ( this is something new ? ...talk to the entire Penn St FB team)... If you really want to be fair let them transfer out right now from Ville or after they finish their school work, where ever they want and let the NCAA give them back a year of eligibility to continue their post grad.

But don't give me this crap about poor Rick..... that's some delusional sh*t right there. Clyde Vaughn ? And what happened to Vaughn ? ..he wasn't getting blowjobs to benefit the Uconn program. he was was doing it for Clyde on his own time.... But if you want to be real ? He lost his job, just like Pitino should....The cash and the hookers happened in Pitino's own dorms...(not on the streets of Hartford) in a building and with recruits that are supposed to be under Pitino's watch and they were given as enticements to hopefully benefit Rick and his program, which is a blatant violation in recruiting at every level.....

This wasn't to many phone calls or a couple of medical bills paid by some agent trying to lure a future client. This was cash ( hmmm, were did that come from Rick ? You ? your asst ? some booster?), sex parties and hookers and it may be a victimless crime but not as it applies to gaining the edge that his staff was trying to gain...... So there is a big fricken difference......When that perv Sandusky was sneaking around trying to have sex with little boys with his key to the Penn St. facilities, you can be sure he was trying to hide it because it only benefited him and it was against the law. But Joe Paterno whether he knew or not still lost his job and what happened to the Penn St. Program ? The prostitution laws that were broken and NCAA violations that happened in Pitino's building was to help Rick and his program and his staff wasn't even good at hiding it, just ask any of the recruits .... so playing dumb doesn't work here and the NCAA shouldn't be done with Ville despite how bad their AD wants this to go away.
 
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Blades I actually like your idea to let Lee and Lewis grad transfer now. UConn probably doesn't need either one for next year (Lee only if Hamilton leaves). But Lee and Lewis are only going to get to discuss that option by filing a lawsuit NOW and naming both Louisville and the NCAA. Then we are off to the races. If that baby goes to court on a TRO I say Lee and Lewis have a good chance to win. It's irreparable harm and they were induced to enroll at Louisville based on promises which were in effect rescinded by the ban.
 
I was going to hold off on this stuff yestrday because of more important stuff, but yeah I saw the OTL Sunday morning and the reported info.....Pitino if he keeps lying is gonna look real bad if McGee finally flips on someone and it's him......
"They've spent a lot of time trying to, I think, discern who provided the funds to pay for the parties," Wilder said, when asked about the focus of NCAA investigators. "I think that they conclude, much like Ms. Powell has said, that certainly Mr. McGee did not have the financial wherewithal to fund these events that were taking place in Minardi Hall."

If nothing else you have to give that sneaky clown Pitino credit..... he knows how to spin a press conference....The way he brought up the poor kids and the sympathy angle and all the evils of the system....like somehow he was also a victim.... while his staff is jobbing the system for recruits ...and like I said before this latest OTL...So what about all this the money that was given to recruits ?????
Didn't Rick suggest this should all just go away with more money ??....a big fat fine the school could pay for his programs dirt ? so he could walk...what a snake....

Hey Rick, this ain't a few bad grades and some transfers who didn't do their schoolwork....or the NCAA changing the passing grades on a" test" 6-7 years after it was taken so they could ban some kids ( Bazz and Co. who had nothing to do with it)......this is your boys making it rain for a bunch of kids, throwing recruits dirty cash and runnin' a pimpin' service in "your house".....

From ESPN:
The three recruits who met with NCAA investigators also provided information about the amount of money they were given by McGee at the parties to tip the dancers who stripped, the source close to the investigation said. "It's a pathetic story," the source said. "McGee gave the players a stack of dollar bills ranging from $200 to $500. Everybody in the room got the money -- the recruits and the current members of the team. Not only that, but McGee himself had his own stack of dollar bills. If this guy's spending $2,000 to $3,000 on a recruiting weekend, where's this money coming from? "

Pitino has been so predictable through all of this:
First he denies: "I can't find one person, not one, that knew anything about it," a visibly angry Pitino said in January.
Then he blames the messenger: During that same media session, Pitino said he was "pissed off at ESPN" for giving Powell a forum.

Like I said Rick shouldn't have a job:

When asked about the degree to which Pitino has taken responsibility for the issues within his program, the source with knowledge of the NCAA investigation told ESPN: "He's not accepting any responsibility over several years. This is not a guy who is turning his head to academic fraud; this is much worse than that. If any other coach was connected to this story, by now he'd have already been fired."
 
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KSTW, you have an opinion. I'm not surprised....... I see it more along the lines of what Uconn Family posted above...... but welcome to the NCAA.....It is strange how the NCAA lets "certain" schools create their own punishment..when and how they'd like to.....I'm hoping this won't be the end of their punishment, I'd like to see some schollies lost and Pitino suspended by the NCAA, but I'm not holding my breath. .especially when it comes to these protected P-5 programs who get their own set of rules from the NCAA to start with. ( see Cuse banning theirselves when they weren't making the tourney anyway)..... ...... Collateral damage happens to kids or even fans who did nothing wrong in the NCAA ... see 2012-13 season as a Uconn fan.... So you won't see me crusading for Cuse, UNC or the Ville, especially now that they're designated as "privileged" programs who had much more dirt to worry about than how "real grades" and a real APR is calculated.

Well that snake still won't take any ownership "Personally, I've lost a lot of faith in the NCAA ... with what they just did," Pitino said....
but his day has finally come:
  • Four years of probation from June 15, 2017, through June 14, 2021.
  • A suspension from the first five ACC games of the 2017-18 season for the head coach.
  • A reduction in men's basketball scholarships by two during the 2016-17 year (self-imposed by the university). Additionally, the university must reduce men's basketball scholarships by four over the probation period. The university may take the reductions during any year of that period.
  • During the probation period, men's basketball prospects on unofficial visits may not stay overnight in any campus dorms or school-owned property.
  • Plus a bunch of other stuff in the article....( welcome to the Ville -- Steve Enoch " it's a great pick" , LOL !)
CBS Sports- Rick Pitino suspended by NCAA after investigation
 
This punishment is spawning a great range of reaction, Pitino protesting that it is very cruel and unusual and unfair, others saying Pitino got a wrist slap that effectively encourages cheating. Since we don't know the actual facts of Pitino's involvement, or his negligence or knowledge of McGee's conduct, it's hard to say. As far as being a deterrent to the behavior of others, I would think that the embarrassment and humiliation that this story has caused Pitino is itself a sufficient punishment, although I don't have a problem with a suspension based on the same "buck stops with the head coach" reasoning that got Boeheim and other suspended. When shit happens, it falls on the head coach, and that is the way it has to be.
 
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I don't think it's hard to say anything except that some of us were way ahead of the curve in this thread and on the NCAA's decision. It also shows that some things just can't be swept under the rug, even for a P-5 or a phony who plays dumb, like Pitino, who was benefiting from a prostitution service, run in his own dorms for a bunch of minors that were supposed to be on his watch, while his staff was handing them loads of ca$h to play with.

Article: Rick Pitino's defiance is making things worse for Louisville

excerpts:

" Pitino would have been far better served in the court of public opinion — and perhaps before the NCAA — had he said “what happened here should never have happened and, as the person in charge of the program, I am willing to accept an appropriate personal punishment because it happened on my watch.”

And as I said last year..... he was trying to spin a press conference for the fools who would buy into it :
" Instead, Pitino portrayed himself as a victim of McGee — rather than as the failed supervisor of his former point guard — and Louisville adopted that narrative."
"That stance did not play well nationally. More importantly, the Committee on Infractions was not buying it. “The head coach failed to meet his responsibility to monitor the former operations director, and is therefore responsible for his actions,” was the verdict rendered by the NCAA. "
 
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To F'in Bad.....neither did Uconn when the NCAA bureaucrats banned Bazz and Co. for a retroactively changed passing APR grade from 6-7 years before they got there. All while the players who got banned for Uconn had a 1000 APR, 2 years in a row. And with a bunch of media trashing the Uconn program who had no clue what a travesty it was for those kids...

So tough luck and maybe future Louisville recruits should beware of a slimmy coach wants to play dumb about parties, cash and hookers....going on inside his own frickin' house.....Oh and by the way, where's the NCAA while we're still waiting for that 10 years of fraud to be punished down at UNC ? ....while their AD is still jobbing the system so they can play in the tourney again this year.

 
If the allegation that Brian Bowen was steered to Louisville for a payment of $100,000 is at some point proven or admitted, the death penalty for this program would be an appropriate sanction.
 
Pitino kind of got a pass on that incident where he was caught cheating on his wife, then got another pass on the Louisville prostitute scandal (during which he claimed he knew nothing), but I don't think he will get a pass on this. I don't even think the ole Sgt. Schultz "I Know Nothing" defense is even playable here. He used that baby up on the hooker scandal. If $100,000 is being paid by Adidas to a recruit to come to your school and wear their apparel and you don't know, time to find a new line of work. For those of you too young to remember Schultzie:



The Godfather of the "I Know Nothing" defense!
 
Pitino's modus operandi ( see last year ):
First he denies: "I can't find one person, not one, that knew anything about it," a visibly angry Pitino said in January......
then: " Pitino portrayed himself as a victim "
 
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Sometimes:....if it walks like a duck..etc, etc.........but it's just strange ...why is poor Rick always a victim ?... restaurant table sex sessions, hookers and cash for his recruits...now the FBI is involved ????
 
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How soon before we see decommitments from Bowen, Enoch and everyone else that committed to Louisville? I assume any letters of intent can be shredded up, correct? Because this is not what these kids signed up for?
 
Anfernee Simons and Courtney Ramey have both decommited from Louisville.

Weather forecast is it's going to be raining decommitments the next few days.
 
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