Jackson leaving
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Disloyalty doesn't inspire loyalty
Sorry to see him go, he would have been tough to keep off the floor
Sorry to see him go, he would have been tough to keep off the floor
http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/03/28/...ies-add-raphael-chillious-lose-vance-jackson/
“The main reason was it wasn’t the right fit for Vance to display his full skills. “It was more of a guard offense where the guards dominate the ball, and you kind of get it at the last minute. If you get it, take a shot or whatever. It was kind of dominated by the guards."
He's now the second transfer who's said this. Have either of them watched a lot of college basketball besides UConn? That's how the game is played these days.
Helicopter parents have become a big problem in high school and college sports with the advent of social media. It allows for constant henpecking of a coach even outside the basketball arena. I think Jackson left due to Larrier being ahead of him at the 3. He wants to go somewhere and be the man.
That's why it's important to develop good relationships with people, real stuff not show stuff.
CBB offense is about creating favorable matchups, if you have the guards to get that done then yes it's guard centric but for 2 years Uconn has not had those guards an still failed to adapt. This is what happens when a coach has a shallow pool of knowledge.
Tough to believe he didn't want to improve his game & it's even more difficult to believe he thought he should be the Man, going in to Uconn he'd have known that wasn't going to be the case.
Too much propaganda.
CBB offense is about creating favorable matchups, if you have the guards to get that done then yes it's guard centric but for 2 years Uconn has not had those guards an still failed to adapt. This is what happens when a coach has a shallow pool of knowledge.
Tough to believe he didn't want to improve his game & it's even more difficult to believe he thought he should be the Man, going in to Uconn he'd have known that wasn't going to be the case.
Too much propaganda.
Yeah I don't understand it. He was a bench player going into the season behind Larrier on the depth chart, ended up getting major minutes, played better and better as the season wore on, showed good basketball IQ, looked like he had a lot of promise and would have challenged to start at the 3 with Larrier perhaps a stretch 4.
with the addition of mal & a healthy Gilbert I'd expect KO is going to return this team to exclusively running a pick & roll offense.
The only justification for ditching GM is KO never had any intention of going fast break/motion offense. That's going to limit touches for everyone but the ball handlers
The only justification for ditching GM is KO never had any intention of going fast break/motion offense. That's going to limit touches for everyone but the ball handlers
Pure speculation, but I think this is what happened: Jackson knew he would be behind Larrier for one season then Larrier would go to the NBA. So then Larrier leaves and Jackson takes on the starting role at the 3. Instead because of the injury, Jackson is given a more prominent role only to be then be pulled back in some ways the season thereafter once Larrier returns. Kind of hard to give up all the PT and plays specifically calling your number after having it.
A parallel would be how John Oliver took over for Jon Stewart on the Daily Show for a couple months while he was out shooting a movie. When Jon Stewart came back, Oliver left the show because he had outgrown the role of being a correspondent & not as big of a role. Now Oliver is thriving on HBO.
I'm not saying Jackson couldn't have found the PT on next year's team and certainly thereafter in his Junior and Senior years when Larrier is gone, but this may have weighed in the decision making process as the AAU culture has created a "I want to play and get to the NBA tomorrow" culture.
A parallel would be how John Oliver took over for Jon Stewart on the Daily Show for a couple months while he was out shooting a movie. When Jon Stewart came back, Oliver left the show because he had outgrown the role of being a correspondent & not as big of a role. Now Oliver is thriving on HBO.
I'm not saying Jackson couldn't have found the PT on next year's team and certainly thereafter in his Junior and Senior years when Larrier is gone, but this may have weighed in the decision making process as the AAU culture has created a "I want to play and get to the NBA tomorrow" culture.
I'm already over Vance - loved the progression from him this past season but a player like him is not making or breaking our program. We want guys who want to be here regardless of the situation.
The only thing that concerns me for next year is outside shooting. With the loss of Purvis and now Vance we will need others to seriously improve in that area in order to keep the defenses honest
The only thing that concerns me for next year is outside shooting. With the loss of Purvis and now Vance we will need others to seriously improve in that area in order to keep the defenses honest
It's not the idea of a player transferring out it's the idea of a coach earning the rep of a 1-trick phony who hemorrhages players
There is something to that tweet from sr singling out GM for believing in him, it's suggestive that others aren't
There is something to that tweet from sr singling out GM for believing in him, it's suggestive that others aren't
Just stop...... this kid had alot less warts and more BB IQ, upside than about 75% of the players on the team last year...If that's the case then why did KO recruit him in the first place ? ....ALL AAC rookie team and now we have to knock the kid ?... Man up and take the high road.
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True and now if KO wants to go small ball with these anorexic bigs at the 4 .....that he seems to love..... who's gonna rebound or fightback when they play these teams like SMU & Cincy who consistently pound the sh#t out of them ? Cobb ? maybe if he can make it up and down the floor at 290 lbs.....
remember this quote? Kevin Ollie said, "and after that our defense and our discipline went out the window. A couple of our players saw a fight and ran the other direction. We've got to play a little tougher when it gets down to it."
I guess we shall see .......Chillious your up !.
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Appreciate that post, this reminds me of the Red Sox who feel the need to dump on people who leave town.
It didn't work out between the Huskies and a damn good player, unfortunate and let's hope it doesn't become a trend.
In sports players often get crapped on by name after they leave a team. I will never forget when Bobby Clarke of the NHL Philadelphia Flyers called Eric Lindros a "cancer" who had "taken the franchise down." This would be a harsh example. I don't think anyone said anything like this about Vance and the comment quoted above by KO was a general one about the team not responding well to physical play, in which he didn't single any one player out. The comments he made in regards to the team were accurate at that time. Coaches are allowed to criticize and speak truthfully about their team's play, if individual players cannot handle that then they need to go somewhere where they can coddled.
As far as Red Sox players being crapped on the only one I can remember was Nomar Garciaparra. He was an injury prone guy, not really sure why but a great hitter and in fact one of the best hitters the Red Sox have ever had, just not very durable. Fan bases can sour on guys who are very talented but can't stay healthy. I remember an even more injury prone guy the Yankees had who couldn't stay healthy for two seconds, Nick Johnson. Had the sweetest swing and could have been a career .300 hitter but would get injured in batting practice. I actually remember the Yankees signed the dude as a DH on the theory that he will stay healthy if he doesn't play the field, then after giving him a deal he goes out and suffers a rib injury in batting practice just taking swings, which put him on a 60 day DL then was out for the year and never played again. And then he retired. It was a total WTF with that guy as far as getting hurt constantly.
As far as Red Sox players being crapped on the only one I can remember was Nomar Garciaparra. He was an injury prone guy, not really sure why but a great hitter and in fact one of the best hitters the Red Sox have ever had, just not very durable. Fan bases can sour on guys who are very talented but can't stay healthy. I remember an even more injury prone guy the Yankees had who couldn't stay healthy for two seconds, Nick Johnson. Had the sweetest swing and could have been a career .300 hitter but would get injured in batting practice. I actually remember the Yankees signed the dude as a DH on the theory that he will stay healthy if he doesn't play the field, then after giving him a deal he goes out and suffers a rib injury in batting practice just taking swings, which put him on a 60 day DL then was out for the year and never played again. And then he retired. It was a total WTF with that guy as far as getting hurt constantly.
True, I think you misread my thoughts regarding Vance.... @ 6-8/230 with skills and a strong base, he was he was one the few guys who could take a hit and keep on playing through contact and/or go up strong for a rebound. I'm thinking with losing guys like Vance & Enoch (6-11/250), 2 of the stronger kids "with potential"... who is gonna have the body to bang down low ? Especially since KO seems to like these 6-8/185lbs kids as stretch 4's. or another skinny like Durham.....I hope they shock me with toughness (KO says his team needs it) but they don't seem to have the body for it ( Polley ? looks like another skinny ? I don't know ? ) Hamilton was the exception as a rebounder who could mix it up for a wiry type. Just another of the many questions that keep piling up this off season as the roster keeps shrinking and we'll see 3 kids coming back from major injuries that must also be considered question marks.
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re Vance I'm talking about Internet chatter; not willing to work, sucked on d anyway, overbearing dad.
The Red Sox...I guess the best example aside from Josh Beckett would be Terry Francona, there we had leaks hinting the guy was a pill head.
Boston absolutely, under current ownership, has treated outgoing guys like they weren't worth having anyway. It's something I'm not particularly proud of as a Sox fan
The Red Sox...I guess the best example aside from Josh Beckett would be Terry Francona, there we had leaks hinting the guy was a pill head.
Boston absolutely, under current ownership, has treated outgoing guys like they weren't worth having anyway. It's something I'm not particularly proud of as a Sox fan
Not Good, like all of this off season stuff, we see shall see once the ball is thrown up @ Gampel, hope he's like D-Ham, they'll need it.
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Johnny Damon comes to mind as a player dumped on by the Red Sox after leaving - remember the "Looks like Jesus, throws like Mary, acts like Judas" t-shirts? The fact that he went to the Yankees probably had something to do with that.
As far as next season goes, I was dubious before the losses. UConn was going to bring in as many as eight essentially new players if they filled all the scholarships. In all likelihood, Adams would be the only returning starter, and he would be playing a different position. In short, not a recipe for gelling quickly. Now, after what transpired this week, UConn will return three players who played a full season last year, only two of whom played meaningful minutes. Barring any last minute additions, they are short three scholarship players. Hopefully, they don't go after four year projects.
More disturbing to me is the fact that UConn seems to be having difficulty keeping full recruiting classes together. This needs to turn around fast, or they will be perennially playing with a short roster, filling the team with last-minute four year projects, or looking for grad transfers to fill a short-term need. I really hope there's a master plan in place, or it may be a while before we can watch UConn playing meaningful games in March.
As far as next season goes, I was dubious before the losses. UConn was going to bring in as many as eight essentially new players if they filled all the scholarships. In all likelihood, Adams would be the only returning starter, and he would be playing a different position. In short, not a recipe for gelling quickly. Now, after what transpired this week, UConn will return three players who played a full season last year, only two of whom played meaningful minutes. Barring any last minute additions, they are short three scholarship players. Hopefully, they don't go after four year projects.
More disturbing to me is the fact that UConn seems to be having difficulty keeping full recruiting classes together. This needs to turn around fast, or they will be perennially playing with a short roster, filling the team with last-minute four year projects, or looking for grad transfers to fill a short-term need. I really hope there's a master plan in place, or it may be a while before we can watch UConn playing meaningful games in March.
USNA,
I agree with all of what you said. Huge questions marks exist on this team. The question marks at 4 and 5 are huge.
Regarding Johnny Damon, as a Yankees fan I can tell you the comments about him throwing like Mary are spot on. He had a wet noodle of an outfield throwing arm, but it was really his only weakness as a player. He was an excellent hitter with a good eye and power, an excellent baserunner (his baserunning was a key in Yankees' 2009 World Series win) and although he couldn't throw he was a good center fielder. He was a gamer and a good clubhouse guy. He was one of my favorite Yankees but his throwing arm was one of the weakest I have seen and what Jeter would do is go out deeper to cut off Damon's throws, as Jeter (or Cano) could make up for Damon with Jeter/Cano making a powerful and long relay throw. Jeter and Cano consistently made spectacular on the money relay throws.
Damon retired with around 2700 plus career hits. He is a borderline HOF player, likely will not get in but Yankees got their money's worth from that guy, unlike Jacoby Ellsbury who is not as good.
I agree with all of what you said. Huge questions marks exist on this team. The question marks at 4 and 5 are huge.
Regarding Johnny Damon, as a Yankees fan I can tell you the comments about him throwing like Mary are spot on. He had a wet noodle of an outfield throwing arm, but it was really his only weakness as a player. He was an excellent hitter with a good eye and power, an excellent baserunner (his baserunning was a key in Yankees' 2009 World Series win) and although he couldn't throw he was a good center fielder. He was a gamer and a good clubhouse guy. He was one of my favorite Yankees but his throwing arm was one of the weakest I have seen and what Jeter would do is go out deeper to cut off Damon's throws, as Jeter (or Cano) could make up for Damon with Jeter/Cano making a powerful and long relay throw. Jeter and Cano consistently made spectacular on the money relay throws.
Damon retired with around 2700 plus career hits. He is a borderline HOF player, likely will not get in but Yankees got their money's worth from that guy, unlike Jacoby Ellsbury who is not as good.
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